It's March! Tim & Al become audio tour guides for the big London conference this month, listen to new song 'God Of All' by Ben Cantelon. Tim interviews Al exploring the key values of worship, followed by an arm wrestle!
28 October 2009 - 1:42am
Hope these lyrics speak for themselves. This is a song I co-wrote with a mate from church. Don't often co-write so this was a new experience and, I might add, a totally awesome one.
Enjoi
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Dm Am C
Your kingdom will still be standing
Dm
Long after this world's gone
Am C
When pain and tears are wiped from our eyes
F
We'll see You face to face
G Am C F
Jesus – this is the hope we're holding onto yeah
Dm Am G
Jesus – whatever comes, whatever comes
Am C F Dm
We will stand in You – in Your love
Am C
We'll live to serve You here on earth x2
F Dm
With Heaven in our eyes
Dm Am C
Your Kingdom will not be shaken
Dm
Tho kingdoms on earth may fall
Am C
So we lift our voice to heaven
F
And shout out our praise to You
G Am C F
Jesus – You are the hope we're holding onto yeah
Dm Am G
Jesus – Your Kingdom come, Your Kingdom come
C G Dm
Hope is rising up inside us
C G Dm
As we lift our shout to heaven
F G Am C
Hope is rising up inside us
F G Dm
As we lift our praise
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Hey Matt,
Cheers for that. Realise it's quite a "big" song so might not work perfectly in a small group setting around the piano (haha). Having said that, we did it at a women's conference here in Cambridge at the Corn Exchange (great venue) a couple weeks ago and it went down really well.
the bit about "Heaven in our eyes" - haha. Dude, don't you know it's ALL about things SOUNDING cool . . . just kidding!! The idea is one of living here on earth and getting on with all that entails but with our vision and our gaze set on eternity. Put differently, living here and now but with a sense of eternity and heaven constantly in our vision. Hope that makes sense.
Again, cheers for the feedback and glad you enjoyed.
W
Hi Wayne,
Another great song!
My only quibble with it is the theology of the first couple of lines. It suggests to me that this world is of no value and will be destroyed to make way for the Kingdom. I don't think that's an accurate Biblical portrayal. A better understanding, I think, is that that this world, although fallen, has intrinsic value (because it was created by God) and will be transformed into the New Creation - a reality that will be both physical and spiritual. "This world" will, in some way, remain part of the Kingdom. Don't know if you can work in a transformation idea in the second line, or change "this world" to an idea more explicitly explicitly expressing the idea of evil that will be destroyed.
Amazing song well done, love the beat. My only issue is that I think people may have a heard time singing it due to the complexity of the tune. Just a thought! Well done though, it is really good!!
Hey thanks Marie - we've started doing this in church and so far it's gone pretty good. Admittedly the melody is a little less straight forward than some but then again, we've also started doing some songs like "Your Name High" - Hillsong which is GREAT but is taking our congregation a little longer to get than most other songs. Like I say we did it at Breathe women's conference a couple weeks ago and the ladies seemed to get hold of it pretty well. (maybe you girls are just smarter than us guys after all - LOL)
Anyway - glad you enjoyed and thanks for the kind comments
Paul - WOW, that is food for thought. Can I give it some think time and respond a little later? thanks again for your feedback too.
cheers
Wayne
Hi Paul - WOW, interesting comments. I'm guessing your theological stance is that this world will endure some serious damage but not to the point of complete destruction in which case a new earth will be created from the remains of this present one. Correct me if I've misunderstood you.
At any rate, the intention of that opening lyric is not to imply this world is of no value. What I'm really wanting to convey is the fact that everything we see around us and everything in this world which we might be tempted to put our trust in is going to pass away (in some form or another). The only constant is our God who's Kingdom will remain.
I'd be really interested to hear more about what you understand by the new earth and new heaven. I see from some of the other posts that you're a bit of a theological guru (LOL) - even tho in a post on one of my other songs you claimed not to be - LOL. Be genuinely interested to hear some more of your thoughts on this one.
Anyway - hope you understand more of the heart of what I'm trying to say and if you have any ideas on how better to say it, please give me a shout. Thanks for posting mate - I really appreciate the feedback
blessings
Wayne
Hey Wayne,
I'd agree with Paul, I'll leave him to explain his own viewpoint but I would probably say something similar. I think the New Testament image is more of this world being transfigured or transformed, gloriously, so that it is the same creation renewed and transformed, redeemed through God's power and love for it. Much as there is both continuity and discontinuity between Jesus' resurrection body- at times he was recognised and at times not, at times he ate fish and retained the physical scars from his crucifixion, at times he could pass through walls and clearly had something different about his physical properties and physical motivation- so there is continuity and some discontinuity between this world and the redeemed image of this world (and ourselves). It's not a case of God thinking this world is good but not good enough and therefore chucking it out, to me, it's a case of God redeeming this world, putting it to rights, taking it back from the imperialistic culture of the Romans, of modern day evil and all that goes with it, and reclaiming it for himself. The Lord's prayer talks of God's Kingdom coming *on earth as it is in heaven*- we are not being taken off to his palace, away from the chaos of this world; rather, our King is coming to visit us in person and make his dwelling among us, redeeming us and redeeming the world we live in.
Hope that gives some illumination! I expect Paul might recommend reading Tom Wright's stuff- he writes a whole load on this kinda thing. Try "Simply Christian" and "Surprised by Hope". I hope you enjoy them, and keep this up!
Blessings,
Calum
Hi Wayne,
I'm not sure 6 weeks into a theology degree makes for being a theological guru! Maybe one day...
I have, however, done enough theology to throw in the word eschatology, the study of the end times, which is what we're taking about here. Calum summarised the thinking fairly well. There still are two legitimate schools of thought - one that would say that God will perform a cosmic CON/ALT/DEL on the day of judgement and start completely over (suggested by Rev 21:1).
And then there's those (like Tom Wright) who would say that passages like Romans 8:19-21 suggest a transformation of the existing universe at the time of judgement where by evil is stripped away and the even the effects of evil somehow made glorious. ("For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.") As you can tell, I'd argue for the latter view based on the majority of the biblical evidence supporting that idea. As Calum also points out - according to Revelation the city of God descends into the New Creation for God to dwell with mankind, rather than us being "taken up" into heaven.
Hope that helps a little...
Hi Paul,
Thanks for that dude. It is VERY interesting. Gosh - I seem to be innocently writing songs which somehow spark of major theological debates (I think you responded to "Sing Forevermore" a few months back - LOL). I started doing some research into it last week in response to your post and it does seem there are two schools of thought. I know from a purely scientific stance (taking everything else out of the equation - as if you can really do that) the suggestion is that the earth will one day be burned to a frazzle and no longer exist. Not quite sure how it all fits in which eschatological standpoints - gotta say though that the thought of that makes me VERY pleased that God is NOT out of the equation.
Anyway - back to this song. can't think off hand how better to phrase the heart of what I'm trying to say. Hmmm - therein lies a challenge for me and I'm open to any further suggestions.
Cheers for your insight mate - very helpful and interesting. hey btw - what theological degree are you doing and where? Sounds great.
W
Hi Wayne,
To me it seems that the song is about God's Kingdom coming here on earth as it is in heaven and about us standing firm in this. I would maybe consider changing the lyric to align with this more. It is an anthemic song and could be the type of song that will encourage us to keep pursuing God and praying for his kingdom to come (here on earth). Kind of like God of this City...
I like the lyric “Jesus – You are the hope we're holding onto yeah” in the pre-chorus and I think you should use it both places in the song.
I really like the bridge how it builds with the lyrics “Hope is rising” it’s a really good fit lyrically and musically. I wonder if instead of bending the praise note at the end you just bust out a held note for praise with real punch (not quite a scream but close) it would be more impacting.
Did you have specific scriptures you were referencing in this song? Verses worth looking at maybe?
Mathew 6 – interestingly in verse 22 it says "The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are good, your whole body will be full of light. But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness! This could tie in with your “With Heaven in our eyes” line? I think people can see a difference in us as Christians even in our eyes.
Matthew 22.
By the way Wayne you have a terrific voice I would buy your album. You have a knack for good dynamics and production as well, very clever.
Cheers,
Blair
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dude - this is epic!
nice production.
is it meant as a 'congregational' song - i think places might struggle with creating the necessary sound for it to work (not sure you could strip the instrumentation back and still use it effectively). but i love how anthemic it is and the way you've woven in that determination to follow 'whatever comes'. nice!
however, really confused about having 'heaven in our eyes'? it kinda sounds like one of those lyrics that's cool without meaning a heckuva lot... hope that doesn't sound too harsh! i posted for the first time today and would value any feedback you might have!
bless ya
matt
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