mrhatch
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a little while ago there was a discussion on, where are all the female worship leaders. i noticed there are people like.
vicky beeching
known for writing
yesterday today forever
above all else
majesty and mystery (awsome god)
there no one like our god
now based in america
there is also
kathryn scott apart from the song hungry, does anyone know any other well known songs written by kathyn scott.
lou fellingham
o god of love/amazing love/build this house/sing to the lord/god immortal/this is my worship/there is a day.
has anyone sung any of these songs in their churches.
cathy burton does anyone sing any of her songs in their services
there are female worship leaders around, they are just not out there like the male worship leaders.
there are more female singer songwriters than just.
darlene zschech
shout to the lord/the potters hand/worthy is the lamb/all things are possible.
like
miriam webster
brooke fraser
mia fieldes
rebecca st james
bethany dillon
amy grant
natalie grant
how do you rate them? has anyone actually heard of them?
I've heard of, have recordings of, and have played songs from everyone in your list. One big reason women sonwriters and leaders don't get the same sort of publicity is that large swathes of the Church still won't allow women positions of authority and this includes preaching through lyrics and music, therefore their songs are less widely used. Which when you consider the worldwide Church is 75%+ female, it would make more sense if more women wrote songs. Maybe they do but they're happy to just use them in their local setting, rather than donning the checkered shirt and pointy shoes and wanting to be the Next Big Thing like most men who write appear to do.
And I personally find they get too emotional and touchy feely for my liking. The men do too, but as you said there are more of them and it happens less frequently.
above all else was written by vicky beeching.
above all was written by paul baloche.
pete
yes im in full agreement with what you are saying, 75% of church membership by women. its staggering they are not being recognized for their contribution.
its sounds like there not being really valued as part of the body.
Even if the female leaders/songwriters are a bit 'touchy-feely' in their writing and leading, that's a female thing I think so then that shouldn't be an issue if the church is 75% women? That might not have made sense.... I mean, that would still speak/be relevant to 75% of the church, even if the men don't like it. I'm not saying all our songs should be touchy-feely, we do need the proper theologically meaty songs and ones than aren't so touchy-feely. I guess we need to appreciate how people lead differently and they will be different.
Kathryn, I agree. But if the majority of worship leaders and church leaders are male there is a strong possibility they will have similar aversions to me (I can't sing the line "darling of heaven" without feeling queasy) so less likely to use those touchy feely type songs. It's a case of looking for and using songs, regardless of the gender or denomination of the writer, that will help our congregations to worship. If that means only using songs we don't like, that's part of the job.
(As a tangent, the lyric I struggle with most at the moment due to touchy feelyness is written by a bloke, the "heaven meets earth like a sloppy wet kiss" line in How He Loves. Much more comfortable with the David Crowder version which uses "unforseen kiss" instead.)
"sloppy wet kiss" is not literally about kissing God (or anything romantic), thankfully! I love the song. McMillan explains it on his blog if you're interested:http://johnmarkmcmillan.blogspot.com/2009/09/how-he-loves-david-crowder-and-sloppy.html
But it's not a lyric that sits easily in a worship song without drawing undue attention to itself. It is, to be honest, a bit cringeworthy.
Yeah, I guess it just depends on your congregation. Most people in our church have been listening to Jesus Culture's version for awhile now and it's become very familiar at this point. For the most part it no longer shocks anyone. The culture of our church (not to mention the state of California) is a little more raw and less refined in some regards so it seems to work okay. A somewhat more reserved culture may never be able to get past the shock factor, not that they necessarily need to.
Maybe. I don't think you have to be a "reserved" congregation for that lyric not to work. I just think it's a poor lyric.
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which above all else because i think that song was written by paul baloche....
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