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28 May 2009 - 7:05pm
More about how we transform church culture than the world, but increasingly I've been aware that some people come to corporate worship hoping that it will accomplish 1 of 2 things.
1) Be like a festival. (If only we did the newest songs, had a better PA, had lights and smoke, etc...)
2) Be a substitute for regular devotional time during the week. (I've been too busy this week, I really hope God speaks/comforts/convicts me during the 20-30 min slot I've allowed him to act in this week. And sometimes, in his mercy, he does, but I don't think it's the best way to appraoch things...)
I've certainly been guilty of both of those attitudes, particularly the latter.
Anyone else notice this, or is it just me?
28 May 2009 - 8:13pm
I hear ya there Paul! Perhaps Western culture has become accustomed to “I get it my way and in my timing” so we struggle to let go when it comes to faith. I think it is the unchecked transfer of consumer driven culture to church that has people (including myself) going to church to receive. Even when we adopt mantras like “Ask not what your church can do for you…” I find it doesn’t change that easily.
The unfortunate thing is how church becomes stale when we treat it like a McDonalds; expecting it to give a spiritual number 1 to this person and a number 4 to that one, but we’ll take a number 5. It seems like we throw tantrums when we don’t get the number we asked for too, “I wanted a 3 and you gave me a 5!”
Fortunately church and faith don’t work that way. In fact, I’ve recently been learning that I only receive as much as I give. Or in other words, I find true joy when I give my joy to others, or I find true strength when I give my strength to others, or… one more… I find my “number 1” when I give my “number 1” to others. Fill in a few details and I think it’s pretty accurate.
I find it truly hard to sincerely and honestly change that mentality in myself. With Gods grace we’ll get there!
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Yip, happens all the time...
I agree with you Marc about the consumer-driven society. It's all about ME and what I can get out of it... And that's so not why we go to church on a sunday. It can't and should never be intended to substitute personal devotion time, yet we all do it.
so how do we go about changing it????
i must say though, in the last three sunday's there's been something different about our corporate worship times, it's been special, people have actually been WORSHIPPING. And I don't really know what changed or how/why it's happened. Our sermon series is Make It Count, maybe it's actually working. Or maybe someone prayed about it, haha, fancy that.
But anyway, that attitude really bugs and frustrates me (particularly when I'm guilty of it).
I don't want to hear, "oh the worship was great tonight", or "that was an excellent sermon, really thought provoking". What are you going to do about it?!?! Is it going to have any effect on you/your actions once you walk out those doors, because if not, I don't really care whether you think the service was nice or not.
Sorry for ranting...
note to self:
click "post" only once...
sorry
It's been interesting for my wife & I as we moved from Trent Vineyard (big warehouse, nice PA, great worship teams, nice lights) last summer to help plant the Cardiff Vineyard, by way of New Wine B serving on the venue 2 team, and all of sudden we're down to one or two guys leading the worship without full bands.
It was a bit odd initially, but it's forced me just worship in whatever scenario you find yourself in, and to be honest, although it's nice to be in a big festival-like setup, I haven't missed it too much.
Genuine worship is just as genuine & moving whether there's 1 person or 5 up front... at any rate, whilst a talented worship team is a blessing, there's a challenge for the congregation to just worship whoever is in front of them at a service.
Joe
"One, two, three, here we go..."
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Joe
"One, two, three, here we go..."
www.myspace.com/josephhargreaves
yeh good points paul,
i think we're all guilty of that attitude at some point unfortunately.
God bless,
gav.





